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I knew ^CEshe^V spams a lot of welcome messages, but right now, fully 165 of her 500 most recent contributions are welcome messages. That's one third. Ridiculous.
Short post I know. I just wanted to justify the nickname I gave her.
Thursday, 29 October 2009
Monday, 26 October 2009
Can This be True?
Rumours reach the panopticon at UESPWatch Towers that Rpeh is about to be approached regarding a return to UESP. I'm mentioning it because it's UESP-related news, not because I believe it.
I still haven't made my mind up whether I believe Rpeh or not. My head says "he did it" but my heart says "why would he?". Either way, I don't think there's any way The Great Deceiver can work with Elliot the Thick. If the only way Rpeh can come back is by The Powers That Be kicking out EtT.... I can't see it happening. As my last post pointed out, there's not enough activity from other admins at the moment. If Rpeh came back, they would need to be looking over their shoulder all the time.
Can't see it happening... but it's still interesting!
I still haven't made my mind up whether I believe Rpeh or not. My head says "he did it" but my heart says "why would he?". Either way, I don't think there's any way The Great Deceiver can work with Elliot the Thick. If the only way Rpeh can come back is by The Powers That Be kicking out EtT.... I can't see it happening. As my last post pointed out, there's not enough activity from other admins at the moment. If Rpeh came back, they would need to be looking over their shoulder all the time.
Can't see it happening... but it's still interesting!
TFFT
Thank F*** For Timenn.
Nephele is on an epic wiki-break. Rpeh has left. Wrye has left (did anybody notice?). Rawtwat is doing nothing except being vicious. Eshe.... welcomes people, warns people... but that's about it. Even GuildKnight seems to have vanished. Just as well the Last Good Admin is around.
Seriously, it's him and a couple of n00b patrollers right now. Since Elliot the Thick has vanished lately, why not get Rpeh back? He was a PITA but at least he made sure the content was accurate... often to the point of OCD and beyond.
Nephele is on an epic wiki-break. Rpeh has left. Wrye has left (did anybody notice?). Rawtwat is doing nothing except being vicious. Eshe.... welcomes people, warns people... but that's about it. Even GuildKnight seems to have vanished. Just as well the Last Good Admin is around.
Seriously, it's him and a couple of n00b patrollers right now. Since Elliot the Thick has vanished lately, why not get Rpeh back? He was a PITA but at least he made sure the content was accurate... often to the point of OCD and beyond.
My Identity Revealed!
I've had a few requests to tell you all who I am. Well after due consideration I've decided to reveal all at last:
I'm Nephele.
Now I know nobody's going to believe that... and rightly so.
I'm Rpeh.
"No!", scream the Daedryon believers. Well okay... I'll come clean.
I'm Elliot, and I have a huge problem with self-loathing.
Just joking.
I'm Daedryon.
I'm Voice of Reason.
I'm Benny220.
I'm doing this as an example of why it's pointless to tell you who I am because you're only going to accept the name if it's one you already agree with. There's no point coming up with a name that won't settle the debate either way so just call me "Tiber Septim" and stop bothering me.
I'm Nephele.
Now I know nobody's going to believe that... and rightly so.
I'm Rpeh.
"No!", scream the Daedryon believers. Well okay... I'll come clean.
I'm Elliot, and I have a huge problem with self-loathing.
Just joking.
I'm Daedryon.
I'm Voice of Reason.
I'm Benny220.
I'm doing this as an example of why it's pointless to tell you who I am because you're only going to accept the name if it's one you already agree with. There's no point coming up with a name that won't settle the debate either way so just call me "Tiber Septim" and stop bothering me.
A Diamond and Three Bits of Glass
Why is it that the best stuff seems to happen when I'm not around?
Anyway. To prove that I'm not just negative, today's post will be saying nice things about ^CEshe^V. Of course, there will still be the usual bile about the three morons of the apocalypse, Elliot the Thick, Rawtwat the Vicious and Elliot's Bitch.
As I pointed out earlier, EtT broke several pages when he (for no reason at all) added categories to the sub-templates used by the Chart template. EtT evidently reads the site (one word at a time, carefully sounding out each letter as it appears, no doubt) because he finally decided to do something about it. Undo his changes? Err... no. Fix his changes so the spacing worked? Err... no. He changed each affected page instead (that's not all of them but I can't be bothered doing the lot).
There's a fairly obvious problem with this approach. As the Chart Template says, it was copied from Wikipedia and differs from WP's version in two specific ways. Now there's a third, undocumented difference that will, I guarantee it, come back to annoy people later on.
What happens next? An anon pops up on Elliot's talkpage namechecking this blog (thanks! - how about a link next time?) and suggesting, perfectly reasonably, that EtT fix the problem rather than papering over the cracks. In typical EtT style, he simply deletes the post, with the rather odd edit summary "I have already told you once, please leave it alone". Where did he tell anybody about this? Who knows.
After that it's a pretty standard edit war. The anon reverts, saying "You haven't "told" me anything. Please can you tell me why you are not fixing the template?" and then adds a followup pointing out that not fixing the underlying problem could damage things. EtT deletes both comments ("it's nice to see you really like playing this game" - an ironic edit summary for the site's biggest edit-warrer) and back comes the anon ("Failure to debate shows a failure of intellect. Please respond constructively").
At this point, Elliot's Bitch RobinHood70 steps in and removes the comments ("rv trolling"). How many times do I have to tell you, EB, that politely pointing out a problem and asking a question is not trolling. EB defines trolling as "anything I don't like", which illustrates why he isn't suitable as a patroller. The anon reverts ("Please learn to distinguish between trolling and people TRYING to be HELPFUL") and tries to explain further what the problem is, while also posting on EB's page asking what he thinks he's doing. Now we get TWO edit wars!
EB reverts both posts, yet again moaning about TOR users. Anon comes back on both ("FIX THE PROBLEM! Don't BURY it!" and "Answer, please"). EB reverts one, EtT reverts on EB's page ("you are way out of line") and we have a series of other reverts with helpful edit comments from EtT like "adorable", "sigh" and "eventually you will comprehend it" and foot-stamping from the anon ("you broke the pages - please explain why. Stop deleting this.")
Finally, ^CEshe^V steps in. She tells the anon, EtT and EB to grow up and stop warring. The anon agrees and requests an answer once more... to the sound of silence. Later on, Rawtwat the Vicious steps in and blocks all the IPs used by the anon. So much for debate.
Eshe stopped the edit war and did so by telling all the participants off, which is the fair and proper thing to do. She also scolded EtT for the sarcastic edit summaries. Marks to Eshe for that one.
Notice, though, that nobody has fixed the actual problem or bothered to respond to the anon. That's one of the problems with UESP these days - the staff are almost all convinced of their infallibility. The template is broken. If one type of valid wiki syntax works with a template and another breaks it, it's a problem with the template. It needs fixing.
Wow. Long post. Before anybody wittily posts that I need to get a life, I should point out that I've been away for three days doing just that or I'd have posted this earlier.
Anyway. To prove that I'm not just negative, today's post will be saying nice things about ^CEshe^V. Of course, there will still be the usual bile about the three morons of the apocalypse, Elliot the Thick, Rawtwat the Vicious and Elliot's Bitch.
As I pointed out earlier, EtT broke several pages when he (for no reason at all) added categories to the sub-templates used by the Chart template. EtT evidently reads the site (one word at a time, carefully sounding out each letter as it appears, no doubt) because he finally decided to do something about it. Undo his changes? Err... no. Fix his changes so the spacing worked? Err... no. He changed each affected page instead (that's not all of them but I can't be bothered doing the lot).
There's a fairly obvious problem with this approach. As the Chart Template says, it was copied from Wikipedia and differs from WP's version in two specific ways. Now there's a third, undocumented difference that will, I guarantee it, come back to annoy people later on.
What happens next? An anon pops up on Elliot's talkpage namechecking this blog (thanks! - how about a link next time?) and suggesting, perfectly reasonably, that EtT fix the problem rather than papering over the cracks. In typical EtT style, he simply deletes the post, with the rather odd edit summary "I have already told you once, please leave it alone". Where did he tell anybody about this? Who knows.
After that it's a pretty standard edit war. The anon reverts, saying "You haven't "told" me anything. Please can you tell me why you are not fixing the template?" and then adds a followup pointing out that not fixing the underlying problem could damage things. EtT deletes both comments ("it's nice to see you really like playing this game" - an ironic edit summary for the site's biggest edit-warrer) and back comes the anon ("Failure to debate shows a failure of intellect. Please respond constructively").
At this point, Elliot's Bitch RobinHood70 steps in and removes the comments ("rv trolling"). How many times do I have to tell you, EB, that politely pointing out a problem and asking a question is not trolling. EB defines trolling as "anything I don't like", which illustrates why he isn't suitable as a patroller. The anon reverts ("Please learn to distinguish between trolling and people TRYING to be HELPFUL") and tries to explain further what the problem is, while also posting on EB's page asking what he thinks he's doing. Now we get TWO edit wars!
EB reverts both posts, yet again moaning about TOR users. Anon comes back on both ("FIX THE PROBLEM! Don't BURY it!" and "Answer, please"). EB reverts one, EtT reverts on EB's page ("you are way out of line") and we have a series of other reverts with helpful edit comments from EtT like "adorable", "sigh" and "eventually you will comprehend it" and foot-stamping from the anon ("you broke the pages - please explain why. Stop deleting this.")
Finally, ^CEshe^V steps in. She tells the anon, EtT and EB to grow up and stop warring. The anon agrees and requests an answer once more... to the sound of silence. Later on, Rawtwat the Vicious steps in and blocks all the IPs used by the anon. So much for debate.
Eshe stopped the edit war and did so by telling all the participants off, which is the fair and proper thing to do. She also scolded EtT for the sarcastic edit summaries. Marks to Eshe for that one.
Notice, though, that nobody has fixed the actual problem or bothered to respond to the anon. That's one of the problems with UESP these days - the staff are almost all convinced of their infallibility. The template is broken. If one type of valid wiki syntax works with a template and another breaks it, it's a problem with the template. It needs fixing.
Wow. Long post. Before anybody wittily posts that I need to get a life, I should point out that I've been away for three days doing just that or I'd have posted this earlier.
Wednesday, 21 October 2009
Interview With a Vicious Thug
Rawtwat the Vicious has been interviewed by the insipid self-absorbed puddle of vomit that is BethBlog. Elliot the Thick embeds his tongue in Rawtwat by writing a news post about this momentous event (two fucking lines and one of them has a mistake - god he's useless), and then Eshe barfs it onto the news page.
Notice that the interview doesn't contain a picture, unlike other such interviews. Having seen a picture of Rawtwat I can't say I'm surprised. The phrase "ugly scrawny speccy twat" doesn't even come close. Not only will he never know the touch of a woman, it seems he's unlikely to know the sight of a paycheck either, as he's still unemployed despite graduating a couple of months ago. Before resigning himself to a life of welfare cheese and cardboard boxes I'm sure there are some things he could try his hand at.
Notice that the interview doesn't contain a picture, unlike other such interviews. Having seen a picture of Rawtwat I can't say I'm surprised. The phrase "ugly scrawny speccy twat" doesn't even come close. Not only will he never know the touch of a woman, it seems he's unlikely to know the sight of a paycheck either, as he's still unemployed despite graduating a couple of months ago. Before resigning himself to a life of welfare cheese and cardboard boxes I'm sure there are some things he could try his hand at.
Elliot pwned yet again
Another post about Elliot the Thick. I know there are a lot, but he really is such a walking disaster area when it comes to wikis that he's bound to get a lot of attention.
The latest incident started when new user BrastaSeptim (no user or talk page so I'm linking to the contribs) created a new fanfic called the "Jewel of Selvir" in the Oblivion namespace. Fanfiction is almost all so unutterably tedious that I haven't read it but a central part of the story is that Tiber Septim (the emperor - not me) had a second child, Brasta. The user, displaying the sort of intelligence level displayed by 99% of UESP users, created a Lore page for this new child and decided to add the information to Tiber Septim's Lore page and add his fanfic to the list of books.
Pretty stupid so far, but largely excusable as new users are often unaware of How Things Work. Luckily, real stupid is close at hand. In comes Elliot the Thick. He prods the two new pages as "nonsense" and then reverts the edits to the Lore pages with the same edit summary. At this point, up pops an anon and leaves an absolutely beautiful post on EtT's talk page. In fact, I'm going to quote it here because it's so good:
Now first off, that wasn't me. Trolling UESP and then writing about the responses would be like shooting fish in a barrel. This blog is about the idiocy of the patrollers and admins that they come up with all by themselves.
Next, notice the tone of that post. It's perfectly polite, well-phrased and utterly accurate. EtT was totally wrong to act in the way he did. So do we think EtT will post an apology and move the pages? Not on your life. In typical EtT, bury the past, fingers in ears style, he simply deletes the post.
Meanwhile, a new account called MistakeFixer has been created (presumably by the anon). It proceeds to move the pages into the correct places, propose the resulting redirects for deletion, remove the incorrect prod from the moved article and reinstate the post on EtT's talk page with the summary "you were wrong. At least have the guts to reply".
Elliot the Thick responds in typical fashion, removing the post again and saying "I have every right to remove comments on my talk page, stop harassing" - despite having just harassed a new user by proposing their posts for deletion. MistakeFixer re-adds it, with the (inaccurate) comment "not here you don't" and finally EtT's bitch RobinHood70 removes it for good.
MistakeFixer then posts a perfectly polite and reasonable complaint about EtT's behaviour on the admin noticeboard that basically says EtT doesn't know what he's doing and should be removed. No argument from me on that score. The response? Rawtwat the Vicious warns MistakeFixer and reverts his complaint with no feedback anywhere. And they wonder why I call him vicious?
This series of events goes to prove what I've been saying all along. Elliot the Thick is incompetent and needs to be removed as a patroller. Rawtwat the Vicious is out of control and also needs to be removed. And RobinHood70 is desperate, desperate, to be an admin.
The latest incident started when new user BrastaSeptim (no user or talk page so I'm linking to the contribs) created a new fanfic called the "Jewel of Selvir" in the Oblivion namespace. Fanfiction is almost all so unutterably tedious that I haven't read it but a central part of the story is that Tiber Septim (the emperor - not me) had a second child, Brasta. The user, displaying the sort of intelligence level displayed by 99% of UESP users, created a Lore page for this new child and decided to add the information to Tiber Septim's Lore page and add his fanfic to the list of books.
Pretty stupid so far, but largely excusable as new users are often unaware of How Things Work. Luckily, real stupid is close at hand. In comes Elliot the Thick. He prods the two new pages as "nonsense" and then reverts the edits to the Lore pages with the same edit summary. At this point, up pops an anon and leaves an absolutely beautiful post on EtT's talk page. In fact, I'm going to quote it here because it's so good:
Please do not call edits such as this and this nonsense. They might be fan-fiction and therefore incorrectly placed, but they are '''not''' nonsense and you are violating the good faith policy by calling them such. The correct response would be to move the fiction pages to the a subpage of the user's space and leave a ''polite'' message on their talk page. If you require any further help with good patroller practice, I suggest you read the relevant policy pages. Kind regards.
Now first off, that wasn't me. Trolling UESP and then writing about the responses would be like shooting fish in a barrel. This blog is about the idiocy of the patrollers and admins that they come up with all by themselves.
Next, notice the tone of that post. It's perfectly polite, well-phrased and utterly accurate. EtT was totally wrong to act in the way he did. So do we think EtT will post an apology and move the pages? Not on your life. In typical EtT, bury the past, fingers in ears style, he simply deletes the post.
Meanwhile, a new account called MistakeFixer has been created (presumably by the anon). It proceeds to move the pages into the correct places, propose the resulting redirects for deletion, remove the incorrect prod from the moved article and reinstate the post on EtT's talk page with the summary "you were wrong. At least have the guts to reply".
Elliot the Thick responds in typical fashion, removing the post again and saying "I have every right to remove comments on my talk page, stop harassing" - despite having just harassed a new user by proposing their posts for deletion. MistakeFixer re-adds it, with the (inaccurate) comment "not here you don't" and finally EtT's bitch RobinHood70 removes it for good.
MistakeFixer then posts a perfectly polite and reasonable complaint about EtT's behaviour on the admin noticeboard that basically says EtT doesn't know what he's doing and should be removed. No argument from me on that score. The response? Rawtwat the Vicious warns MistakeFixer and reverts his complaint with no feedback anywhere. And they wonder why I call him vicious?
This series of events goes to prove what I've been saying all along. Elliot the Thick is incompetent and needs to be removed as a patroller. Rawtwat the Vicious is out of control and also needs to be removed. And RobinHood70 is desperate, desperate, to be an admin.
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