One and the Same

An email reminded me of this post from last year. As the email said:

"Ratwar has recently started contributing again...
Elliot hasn't been on in a short while..."

Quite...

Au Revoir, Elliot

A little while ago I received an email from an unexpected source that contained a discussion between (inter alia) Elliot the Obnoxious and Thick, Jak Atackka, Snowmane and Kitkat. It seems Snowmane passed the conversation to some admins, and it ended up with me. I'm going to post the whole exchange, including some stuff that went on in a private chat, because it reveals (or confirms) several things.

1) Elliot is a deeply unpleasant person.
2) Dwarfmp is an ineffectual admin.
3) Hopefully Elliot has gone for good this time.
4) If this is what IRC is like these days, I'm glad I stopped lurking.

The delay is because I wanted to clear it with a few people to make sure they were okay with it being published. It's also because I was away and then lazy, but I've done it in the end.

So here's the exchange. Enjoy.

(ALL PUBLIC)
[Complaining about someone before mentioning Rpeh. Sadly, I lost the record of what he was saying]
[5:07pm] Elliot: If you want to bring up something from 2009, let's bring up Calliope

[5:08pm] Snowmane: lol

[5:08pm] Snowmane: Elliot, is this personal to you?

[5:08pm] General_Crespin: I never got into Oblivion. I've been wanting to for a while, but now that I've started 
Skyrim, I dunno how it will feel.

[5:08pm] Kitkat|Away: Snowmane, the title of Captain Obvious belongs to Kiz - quit trying to steal it 

[5:09pm] Kitkat|Away is now known as Kitkat.

[5:10pm] Snowmane: It sounds like it. And, in my honest to God opinion, you're sounding like what you wanted overthrown. You're complaining about SerCen's opinion and him having a voice because it disagrees with your's, yet you want ME to post an opinion, since it agrees with your own. You're generally a great guy, but you need to sit on the bench for a while, I think.

[5:11pm] Elliot: I don't care if what he posts about rpeh

[5:11pm] Elliot: He brought me into it

[5:11pm] Elliot: Of course I'm going to be pissed

[5:12pm] Snowmane: Kat, I am MAJOR Obvious. I am a higher rank. At least in the United States military I am 

[5:12pm] Snowmane: I don't know about the Irish or English militaries

[5:12pm] Elliot: Kitkat, was that comment aimed at me?

[5:13pm] Kitkat: No, it was quite obviously aimed at Snowmane - it even has his name in it

[5:13pm] Snowmane: What did she say about you?

[5:14pm] Elliot: Why would he be Captain Obvious?

[5:14pm] Elchzard_ joined the chat room.

[5:14pm] Snowmane: I am MAJOR Obvious, guys

[5:15pm] You are now known as Major_Obvious.

[5:15pm] Kitkat: 22:08    Snowmane    Elliot, is this personal to you?

[5:15pm] Kitkat: I thought that was glaringly obvious

[5:15pm] Elliot: So it was aimed at me

[5:15pm] Elliot: I should kick you for such a comment

[5:16pm] Major_Obvious: Elliot, you aren't going to kick Kitkat.

[5:16pm] Kitkat: No, it was aimed at Snowmane - as I said.

[5:16pm] Elliot: It was about me.

[5:17pm] You are now known as Snowmane.

[5:17pm] Kitkat: And? The accusations on your user page are *about* me. Should we discuss those?

[5:17pm] mxk101 joined the chat room.

[5:17pm] mxk101 was promoted to half-operator by ChanServ.

[5:17pm] Elchzard left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)

[5:17pm] Snowmane: Both of you, just drop it, please.

[5:17pm] Elliot: Those are not accusations

[5:18pm] Snowmane: I don't want a big argument flaring up

[5:18pm] Kitkat: Yes, they were. I found them offensive.

[5:19pm] Elliot: You help split the wiki. Plain and simple.

[5:19pm] Snowmane: Big whoop, Elliot, you were indirectly referenced when she agreed with my question. Grow up! She never meant to offend you, when she said that joking comment to me. It isn't like she called you a good for nothing troll or anything serious.

[5:19pm] Snowmane: Elliot, stop it!

[5:22pm] Elliot: Why should I?

[5:22pm] Snowmane: You're arguing for the sake of arguing.

[5:22pm] Kitkat: Well, I promised RH70 I'd try and talk to people as opposed to about them - I think we've made some real progress, Elliot

[5:22pm] Jak_Atackka joined the chat room.

[5:22pm] Jak_Atackka: Hello!

[5:23pm] Kitkat: Hiya, Jak 

[5:23pm] Snowmane: She said a joking comment to ME and, then you started suggesting she was trying to insult you, and now you both are at each other's throats.

[5:23pm] Snowmane: Hey, Jak

[5:23pm] Elliot: She did try to insult me

[5:23pm] Elliot: Because she's getting more "revenge"

[5:23pm] Jak_Atackka: What'd she say?

[5:23pm] Elliot: For what who the hell knows

[5:24pm] Snowmane: Elliot, just drop it. You both are wrong in this instance, so arguing won't help.

[5:24pm] Kitkat: Revenge? I'm not interested in revenge. That's you, desperate to destroy rpeh's block appeal even if it violates policy.

[5:25pm] Dwarfmp: do I have to remind you of this?:

[5:25pm] Dwarfmp: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/215835_205393296149952_145722295450386_621767_2925001_n.jpg
[Random funny picture, because Dwarfmp was under the impression that he could get everyone to stop arguing with a picture. ][5:25pm] Elliot: How did I violate policy again?

[5:25pm] Snowmane: Kitkat, Elliot, BOTH OF YOU DROP IT!

[5:25pm] Snowmane: Take it to a PM if you HAVE to argue so bafly.

[5:25pm] Snowmane: badly

[5:26pm] Elliot: No, people need to hear this as well

[5:26pm] Elliot: read, hear, w.e.

[5:26pm] Kitkat: Talking is important, right? 

[5:26pm] Snowmane: Elliot, I am officially warning you to stop. You are arguing for the sake of arguing, and it is starting to be disruptive, IMO.

[5:26pm] Elliot: Snowmane, stop it.

[5:27pm] Elliot: I'm not breaking any rules.

[5:27pm] Elliot: This is a WIKI IRC room

[5:27pm] Snowmane: Not technically, but this arguing is not solving anything.

[5:27pm] Elliot: Ergo, discussing things from the wiki.

[5:27pm] Snowmane: Dwarfmp: What is your opinion?

[5:29pm] Dwarfmp: my opinion is that you shouldn't argue

[5:29pm] Snowmane: Elliot, you're hardly discussing things wiki business. You and Kitkat are both throwing around disruptive accusations.

[5:29pm] Dwarfmp: unless you like getting annoyed that is

[5:30pm] Elliot: Then leave?

[5:30pm] Dwarfmp: no, unless YOU like getting annoyed

[5:30pm] Dwarfmp: I'm not even reading this

[5:30pm] Kitkat: Me neither - lolz 

[5:30pm] Snowmane: Why  should *I* leave so that you can have a meaningless argument? If you insist on an argument, a PM is a much more appropriate venue.

[5:31pm] General_Crespin: Same.

[5:33pm] • Kitkat throws Elliot a Snickers bar
[Kitkat wants it made clear that this (A reference to the commercial where people act like divas) was actually meant to be insulting, and the only thing insulting she said. Of course, Elliot misses the reference.][5:42pm] Elliot: Kitkat, please don't ever accuse me of something again.

[5:42pm] Elliot: Thanks.

[5:43pm] Kitkat: Ditto. And unlink my name on your user page? Thanks..

[5:44pm] Elliot: No
[Great Elliot logic. He can demand Kitkat never accuses him of anything, yet he still wants to accuse Kitkat of things he can't prove.]

[5:44pm] Kitkat: How about if I say please?

[5:45pm] Elliot: How about if you drop it?

[5:45pm] Jak_Atackka: Well you do accuse her of splitting the wiki, the least you could do is unlink her name.

[5:45pm] Elliot: She couldn't prove her accusation

[5:46pm] Snowmane: Elliot, be fair. You can hardly ask her to never accuse you of anything, while accusing her of splitting the wiki apart.

[5:46pm] Elliot: I can prove mine.

[5:46pm] Elliot: I'm not really accusing

[5:46pm] Elliot: It's more of a statement

[5:46pm] Kitkat: No, you can't! Prove it!

[5:47pm] You are now known as ES|dinner.

[5:47pm] Elliot: "In fact, much the same as Krusty, the abruptness of this RfA caused me to run screaming from the 
wiki (and the IRC), hell bent on never coming back."

[5:47pm] Elliot: All because one person was nominated for an RfA?

[5:47pm] Elliot: "Obviously, I don't feel I can bring myself to support this, for all of the reasons Krusty, Kiz and rpeh have stated above."

[5:47pm] Kitkat: Yep - the "abruptness" as in I was shocked and it was unexpected

[5:48pm] Kitkat: Yep - still not seeing how I split the wiki in half. I just expressed an opinion that you don't agree 
with.

[5:48pm] Elliot: "I'd also like to address the point that there are no "cliques" on the wiki. That's completely untrue."

[5:48pm] Elliot: Winner ^

[5:49pm] Elliot: "So I'd like remind everyone that this isn't a popularity contest, that this is about picking the best 
person for the job, and not simply the one who has the most friends in high places."

[5:50pm] Elliot: THAT would be splitting.

[5:50pm] Kitkat: You're still not getting it! That's not "splitting", that's "voting"

[5:51pm] Elliot: I'm pretty sure I understand things like this a little more than you.

[5:51pm] Jak_Atackka: I think that counts as a personal insult, Elliot

[5:51pm] Kitkat: You've clearly illustrated that you don't.

[5:51pm] Jak_Atackka: And that too, Kitkat

[5:51pm] Elliot: Says the 14 year old

[5:52pm] Jak_Atackka: Ageism

[5:52pm] Kitkat: Yep - personal attack much?

[5:52pm] Dwarfmp: you're just angry you're losing an argument with a 14 year old 
[Dwarfmp was right. He lost to a 14 year old girl. :)][5:52pm] Elliot: Not really...

[5:53pm] Elliot: [5:48pm] Elliot: "I'd also like to address the point that there are no "cliques" on the wiki. That's completely untrue."

[5:54pm] Elliot: How can I make it any more obvious?

[5:54pm] Kitkat: Yes, you said that already. But I'm allowed to express how I feel. And I feel that there are cliques on the wiki.

[5:54pm] Elliot: Kitkat, you accused me of trying to prohibit rpeh from appealing the block.

[5:54pm] Elliot: I ask you for proof, and you failed to provide any.

[5:55pm] Jak_Atackka: Which demonstrates a logical fallacy, not a conspiracy.

[5:56pm] Kitkat: I refused to provide any, for reasons which I stated. As you know, Elliot.

[5:56pm] You are now known as Snowmane.

[5:56pm] Elliot: You refuse because you CAN'T!

[5:57pm] Kitkat: I know I can't - Mibbits will close >.>

[5:57pm] Elliot: Yeah, that's it!

[5:57pm] Kitkat: And then you said, Elliot? You said I was "turning into a little rpeh. How cute."

[5:57pm] Snowmane: You guys just waited until I left to argue some more? Can you both please end it already?

[5:57pm] Elliot: The four people who opposed the RfA ALL basically said there are camps on the wiki.

[5:58pm] Elliot: You four are the only ones who have said that.

[5:58pm] Jak_Atackka: Or take it to PM?

[5:58pm] Elliot: THAT is splitting the wiki.

[5:58pm] Elchzard_ left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)

[5:58pm] Kitkat: That is voting.

[5:58pm] Snowmane: Elliot, Kitkat, both of you drop it! I am tired of all the arguing!

[5:58pm] Elliot: Very good

[5:58pm] Elliot: It's the OPINIONS that are a detriment.

[5:59pm] Kitkat: Opinions are allowed!!

[5:59pm] Snowmane: Only Elliot's opinions and those of his allies are allowed, Kitkat.

[5:59pm] Elliot: Snowmane

[5:59pm] Elliot: shut up

[5:59pm] Elliot: Opinions are allowed.

[5:59pm] Elliot: But as I said, they are what is splitting the wiki.

[6:00pm] Dwarfmp: she just stated it was already split

[6:00pm] Dwarfmp: that's not splitting

[6:00pm] Elliot: It's not split.

[6:00pm] Elliot: Well, besides those 4

[6:00pm] Kitkat: It is too - you just said I split it!

[6:00pm] Kitkat: Make up your mind!

[6:01pm] Snowmane: Elliot, Kitkat, considered yourselves officially on your last warnings. This is ridiculous, and 
you guys are just attacking each other for no gain.

[6:01pm] Elliot: Snowmane

[6:01pm] Elliot: Just stop.

[6:01pm] Elliot: You are just fanning whatever flames there are.

[6:01pm] Snowmane: You stop, Elliot. I am trying to maintain order. Grow up!

[6:01pm] Elliot: Order?

[6:01pm] Elliot: We are not allowed to argue?

[6:02pm] Dwarfmp: no

[6:02pm] Dwarfmp: you're disrupting the chat

[6:02pm] Jak_Atackka: Take it to PM....

[6:02pm] Elliot: I'm disrupting nothing!

[6:02pm] Kitkat: We tried that Jak - it didn't work

[6:02pm] Elliot: There's nothing to disrupt!

[6:02pm] Snowmane: Elliot, you're a great guy, but I am one step from kicking you myself.

[6:02pm] Snowmane: This is ridiculous.

[6:03pm] Elliot: I would advise to avoid that.

[6:03pm] Snowmane: Or?

[6:03pm] Snowmane: Sounds like a threat, and Rpeh....
[A reference to Rpeh's logic that he was above the law. Elliot is sadly unaware of the similarities they share.]

[6:03pm] You set a ban on *!*@ChatSpike-c0c80140.iplsin.sbcglobal.net.

[6:03pm] You kicked Elliot from the chat room. (Snowmane)
[With Elliot's banning, the conversation ends. Kitkat never got banned, because she is normally a sweet person to everyone, so I was willing to let her stay, because she is never a disruption.]

PM from Elliot:

[6:04pm] Elliot: Unblock
[6:04pm] Elliot: Right fucking now
[6:04pm] Elliot: You better fucking unblock me
[6:04pm] Snowmane: Elliot. You're disrupting the channel. I am within my rights, and you'll remain blocked until you cool off.
[6:04pm] Elliot: Unblock me now
[6:05pm] Elliot: I swear to fucking god
[6:05pm] Elliot: UNBLOCK ME
[6:05pm] Snowmane: No. You're banned until you can prove to me that you're calm. Until then, you're a disruption, and you're banned.
[6:05pm] Elliot: Fuck you
[6:05pm] Elliot: FUCK YOU
[6:05pm] Elliot: A blatant abuse of whatever powers were mistakingly giving to you
[Sorry, but I don't see how using a ban to end an argument that would have persisted was a misuse of powers.]
[6:06pm] Elliot: Unblock me
[6:06pm] Elliot: Can you not read?
[6:07pm] Elliot: u
[6:07pm] Elliot: n
[6:07pm] Elliot: b
[6:07pm] Elliot: l
[6:07pm] Elliot: o
[6:07pm] Elliot: c
[6:07pm] Elliot: k
[6:07pm] Elliot: m
[6:07pm] Elliot: e
[6:07pm] Elliot: r
[6:07pm] Elliot: i
[6:07pm] Elliot: g
[6:07pm] Elliot: h
[6:07pm] Elliot: t
[6:07pm] Elliot: n
[6:07pm] Elliot: o
[6:08pm] Elliot: w
[6:08pm] Snowmane: I did read it. And, no. I am NOT unbanning you, so spanning a PM isn't helping.
[6:08pm] Elliot: Unblock me!
[6:08pm] Elliot: You are NOT permitted to block based on information in a PM
[6:08pm] Elliot: SO you are in a clear violation of rules
[6:10pm] Elliot: Okay
[6:10pm] Snowmane: It's in the Public chat now, and even without that, one was coming anyways, because you're throwing around unprovable accusations for the sake of arguing, after being warned by myself and Dwarf..
[6:10pm] Elliot: What's in the public chat?
[6:10pm] Elliot: Did you QUOTE me?
[6:10pm] Elliot: Are you fucking serious?
[6:11pm] Elliot: I AM NOT THROWING AROUD UNPROVABLE ACCUSATIONS
[6:11pm] Elliot: HOW ABOUT YOU FUCKING BLOCK KITKAT
[6:11pm] Elliot: UNLBOCK ME OR I WILL FIND ANOTHER WAY IN
[6:11pm] Snowmane: I didn't quote you. I just said you were being rude, and I wasn't going to unban you.
[6:11pm] Elliot: I WILL find a way in.
[6:11pm] Snowmane: Ok. Whatever. I am sure you'll be banned again.
[6:12pm] Snowmane: If not by me, then by someone else for evading the ban
[6:12pm] Elliot: It's nice for you use to the tools I taught you
[6:12pm] Elliot: Now UNBAN me
[6:13pm] Snowmane: You're banned for at least the evening to cool off. If you're polite tomorrow, I will be more than happy to give you another chance.
[6:13pm] Elliot: Tomorrow
[6:13pm] Elliot: Are you fucking kidding me?
[6:13pm] Elliot: I would advise you to revoke this mistake you're seriously about to make
[6:13pm] Snowmane: I am dead serious. Unless one of the admins changes it or tells me to revoke it, that is how it is.
[6:13pm] Snowmane: Is that a threat?
[6:14pm] Elliot: Is everything a threat with you?
[6:14pm] Elliot: How about people grow some damn balls and actually DISCUSS things
[6:15pm] Elliot: It's your decision.
[6:15pm] Elliot: You will have to live with it now.

[6:16pm] Elliot disconnected from the server.

Rpeh for Admin - for real!

I can only assume there is a spy in UESP Watch Towers, because it's the only way Krusty could have timed his nomination of rpeh for Admin precisely after I went away for a week.

Of course we don't need to do any diffs for this story because it's obvious that there will be loads of editors supporting the nomination but that Rawtwat the Vicious and Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick will oppose it, right? Eh? What's that? Really? Seriously?!?! Okay, let's do this properly then.

Things started off as predicted, with Alpha Kenny Buddy, Pwnageincarnate, Legoless and Corevette789 all voting "Yay" before rpeh had even posted his responses. Next came Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, then rpeh added a whole extra load of crap, then comes the first opposition: Wrye.

It's been so long since Wrye has shown his face that I couldn't remember much about him, except that he was a bit of a pompous twat at times. I had a murky memory of him even managing to annoy the usually unflappable Timenn, and eventually found the debate here. The next memory refresher was to look at his edit distribution, which made my eyebrows go up along way.  40% of his edits are about promoting his modding projects in the Tes3Mod and Tes4Mod namespaces. Another 14% has him arguing in UESPWiki space, 17% in User space, and after that, there's almost nothing. Now I see why rpeh wanted regular admin votes - this guy is treating the wiki like his own private website.

Anyway. After nice, subtle dig from rpeh, we have several increasingly desperate attempts from Wrye to justify his vote interspersed with several people telling him he's a moron. Eventually we come to our second Oppose vote, and it's from Whining Little Bitch fully living up to his name, in a post demolished by rpeh a little later.

The next odd vote is from DKong27, who I had firmly in the "Support" camp, but who voted "Neutral", making the accurate point that rpeh does tend to make enemies, but it's this vote that really made me swear in disbelief. Elliot voted to support rpeh's RfA. Let me repeat that: Elliot voted to support rpeh's RfA. In a well-written and thoughtful post, Elliot takes a brief look at their history, moves on, and expresses some hopes and thoughts for the future. I might have to change his name if he keeps making posts like this one.

With the vote currently at 17-2, and a full week already gone, it's only a matter of time before UESP has a new admin. True, Daveh might decide not to listen to the community's suggestion, but since we know he's already given rpeh server access, I can't see that being a problem.

Let's hope he has learned from the mistakes of the past and is not doomed to repeat them.

Maybe this time

It's been a whole month since Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick's block ran out. I didn't want to post the day after it happened in case it had simply slipped his memory, but after a month it might be that he really has "moved on".

Herschel blocked him for six months starting on Sep 1 last year, and that block ran out on March 1 this year. One month and one day later and still nothing from EtOT.

I know that several sad people commenting on this blog are going to do the usual ritual of telling me not to bother any more, to which I'll say only this... it's been two months since my last post because there's been no drama, no trouble, no acts of viciousness... it's been quiet. The way a wiki should be.

What's changed since I set up this blog? No more Rawtwat the Vicious. No more ^CEshe^V. No more Queen of Trolls. No more EtOT. Their feet no longer press on the brake pedal of good relations. The Great Deceiver has returned, but it seems he is willing to accept a subordinate role as sergeant to Krusty's general.

I'm going to keep watching. In fact, I've started editing again. Let's hope things remain quiet for now.

One and the Same

I'm sure you all thought I wasn't going to bother with this any more but a couple of emails have reached UESP Watch Central and I thought I should respond.

Two emails pointed out that Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick is unblocked once again. This seems to be true. His last block expired at the start of March 2011, so it seems he is now free to post his particular brand of idiocy once more.

One email had something more interesting, however. A page called "#uespwiki @ chatspike by roddie" suggests that EtOT made his last edit there 215 days ago and that Rawtwat the Vicious last vomited up his half baked opinions 217 days ago. My correspondent suggests that these dates are too close together to be more than a coincidence.

If Elliot = Ratwar, a great many things would be explained, like how RtV stopped editing just as EtOT came along, but it seems too convenient to be true. Surely the two biggest anchors holding back UESP can't have been the same person? Can they?

See you in the Spring

Fun times on UESP last night. In the middle of another boring argument between The Great Deceiver and Whining Little Bitch, who should appear but Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick!

Despite having claimed to be "done" with the site, EtOT popped up to deliver what he evidently thought were a few well chosen words about TGD, in a post so transparently trollworthy that not one, not two, not three, but four different editors removed it. EtOT's edit warring led to WLB warning him, which of course, EtOT removed. WLB reinstated the warning with section protection, so EtOT did some whining of his own and had the gall to warn TGD for edit warring, twice - a warning removed first by TGD himself, then by Corevette789. At this point, Herschel stepped in and blocked EtOT for six - count them! - six months, with an email and talk page ban to go with it.

The message should be clear to you, EtOT (and I know you still read this): you are not wanted on UESP. In one evening, you managed to piss off SerCenKing, TheAlbinoOrc, Arch Mage Matt, Rpeh, RobinHood70, Corevette789 and Krusty. FiveFour patrollers and an admin. That's pretty good going even for you.

See you in March. I'm sure everybody on UESP will have a happy Christmas / Hanukkah / whatever knowing you won't be anywhere near the site.

EtOT Thinks He's Appealing

Despite having previously claimed to be "done" with UESP, Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick has appealed against his block. He claims that his new block falls under the "double jeopardy" rule, but in typical EtOT style he fails badly on comprehension.

Double Jeopardy is intended to stop somebody being tried twice for the same offense based on the same set of facts. In this case, two new pieces of evidence have come to light since he was tried, so the rule doesn't apply. In any case, Lucius Tarquinius Superbus commented earlier that EtOT's email to him was sent after the first block expired so there is definite scope for a second trial.

Besides, EtOT. Haven't you got it yet? Nobody likes you or wants you on the site. Keep posting and your indefinite block will be along shortly.

Another Month for EtOT

Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick has been blocked for another month.

Things started a couple of days ago when Lucius Tarquinius Superbus posted an email he received from EtOT. In typical EtOT style, he instructed LTS "Do not involve yourself in matters that concern me you little prick." Since EtOT was banned for being a dick to other users, LTS asked for a new, month long block.

New editor Corvus supported a ban extension then Corevette789 decided to remain neutral. That's a bit of a surprise given EtOT's previous behavior towards Corevette, but we'll let it pass.

The Queen of Trolls obliges with the block, and then TheAlbinoOrc provides further evidence in case anybody thought it was unfair.

It's much less interesting on the site without EtOT, but nobody can deny that things are much nicer now he's not there. With no EtOT and no Rawtwat the Vicious, UESP is once again a nice place to be. I might have to start editing again.

At last!

Tonight, I bask in the rays of joy and happiness that flow from my monitor, for Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick has been blocked at long last.

The day started with relatively new user Arny saying that he supported a block on EtOT, because he believed EtOT was more responsible than The Great Deceiver for all the arguments we have seen lately. You will never guess what happened next... EtOT got upset! In a post with an edit summary of "Arny, your suggestion is ridiculous", EtOT tells Arny that he "should keep out of such debates".

Arny replies, and points out that EtOT should already have received a block for his persistent violations of policy. EtOT obviously thought about this carefully, considered his behaviour and replied in a calm, thoughtful manner that.... oh who the hell am I trying to fool? He vomits a mass of diffs over the page, accusing Arny of playing the ''ignoratio elenchi'' game (irrelevant thesis - and BTW, EtOT, I thought one of your arguments was that only TGD and I use Latin?) then adds Arny's name to his insulting list.

At this point, the Powers step in. Timenn had warned EtOT before about dismissing the views of other users so gives EtOT an official warning for doing it. EtOT reacts with his usual politeness. Timenn replies and EtOT whines some more.

Meanwhile, Michaeldsuarez pops up on the Administrator Noticeboard talking about EtOT's record on Wikipedia. EtOT feels he has to respond ("How does my WP behavior have any bearing on this matter?" Answer: because you were a dick there and you're a dick on UESP too), and MDS replies.

MDS then makes a very good point that EtOT is acting like Dr. Jones, who once had an insulting list of his own. EtOT misses the point, and MDS points out that Dr. Jones was blocked, largely because of the list. EtOT tells him to "GTFO" before moving the debate to MDS' own talk page and telling him to "stay out of it".

Then, we have the golden moment. Nephele blocks EtOT for a week for "Repeated harassment of other users despite being warned just hours ago to stop". She then goes on a cleaning spree, removing all the nonsense EtOT has added during the day.

So there we have it. The whole process has taken far too long and it should have been done some time ago, but he has finally had his block. Something tells me we haven't seen the end of Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick, but at least we don't have to put up with him for a week.

Busy Morning

Looks like war between Nephele the Pious and The Great Deceiver has broken out overnight.

It began with NtP confirming that the Masked Template Guru was wrong to delete anonymous posts for no reason by suggesting a new policy about such posts. She then follows it up with another policy aimed straight at Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick and TGD.

It doesn't take long before TGD opposes them both.

It also doesn't take long before he comes back with a policy proposal of his own, aimed so directly at NtP that it's probably still ricocheting back and forth between her nipples.

Elliot the Thick then appears - neatly proving rpeh's point that he only ever turns up for the controversy, which is the very definition of trolling - and makes three typically pointless posts of his own.


Nephele's first policy makes some kind of sense but it would be much easier to disable anonymous editing altogether rather than having some kind of half-arsed measure like this that is totally open to interpretation and will only lead to more edit warring.

The second one won't work even for a moment and is a really, really silly suggestion by NtP. As TGD has already pointed out, Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick will edit pages he knows TGD is about to edit to prevent TGD updating them. EtOT pretends he doesn't know how he can do this, but that's nothing more than a smokescreen.

TGD's suggestion is definitely overdue. Nobody left on the site knows anything about Garrett and Endareth, while Rawtwat the Vicious should have been removed as an admin months ago.

So we have Nephele making snide remarks about Rpeh, Rpeh telling her off in reply, then Nephele aiming policies at Rpeh and Rpeh aiming one right back.

This has all happened since Nephele the Pious returned from her break. Perhaps she should be blocked for disruptive behaviour?

UPDATE: EtOT has always got to get the last word in, although even by his standards this is illiterate and difficult to understand. I think he is trying to say that he doesn't have time to edit the wiki. Then how does he have time to annoy everybody on the admin noticeboard? Simple answer: EtOT is a lying bastard who is only out to cause trouble. TGD may not be able to use the "T" word, but I can: Elliot is nothing but a troll. Block him now.

Elliot the Bully 2

Well we found out what Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick planned to do after the 24 hours were up. He planned to be obnoxious. Who would have thought?

Elliot: You think you are cute sending PMs?
Corevette: What
Elliot: http://uespwatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/elliot-bully.html Thanks for the link, EtOT!
Elliot: Don't play stupid
Corevette: I sent them to an admin yes
Elliot: You are not permitted to under UESP guidelines
Elliot: Hell, go ask rpeh
Corevette: Email, yes I am
Elliot: No you arent
Corevette: That is to bring it up on-wiki
Corevette: I asked what to do first
Elliot: Logs of chatroom discussions should not be posted or distributed.
Elliot: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:IRC#Channel_Guidelines
Elliot: To anyone!
Elliot: So, who did you send it to?
Corevette: That is confiential
Corevette: Im sure they would not want me to go a-blabbing
Elliot: Funny
Elliot: because I am saying THE SAME FUCKING THING
Elliot: How does it feel to be a complete hypocrite?
Corevette: You violated Chatspikes rules and check this one out in etiquitte
Elliot: I violated ChatSpike rules?
Elliot: Please tell me which rule
Elliot: Unless you are making it up
Corevette: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:Etiquette#IRC
Corevette: Not only that yes, chatspike has that rule. Although I am not going to bring it up with them
Corevette: Personal attacks are not looked upon kindly
Elliot: Grow up
Corevette: <3
Elliot: Are you going to cry because someone calls you incompetent?
Elliot: Hmm, Daedryon?
Corevette: LOL
Elliot: Yeah, that would be giving you too much credit
Elliot: Are you going to send this transcript too?
Elliot: And tell me who you sent it to
Elliot: Now
Corevette: Possibly, I think this would give others a few good laughs, as it has me
Elliot: That you are stupid?
Corevette: Why? What is the diffrence
Elliot: Yeah, I have laughed a lot too
Elliot: Tell me who you sent it to
Elliot: GK?
Elliot: Timenn?
Elliot: Oh wait
Elliot: Rpeh!
Elliot: we have a winner!
Corevette: Not an admin.
Corevette: And no not rpeh
Elliot: You said you sent it to an admin
Corevette: I meant rpeh isn't an admin
Elliot: I sent them to an admin yes
Elliot: Well, lying is an easy thing to do
Corevette: It dosent matter who I sent it to...they have all seen it by now
Elliot: Tell me
Elliot: So I can can your ass for a blatant violation
Corevette: I see I am wasting my time here
Corevette: No , YOU are
Elliot: Editing the wiki is a waste of time
Elliot: All of the incompetent admins are a waste of time
Elliot: YOU are a waste of time
Elliot: Because you are a child trapped in your own shitty wording
Elliot: Now, I know I said shit
Elliot: can you be mature enough to handle that?
Corevette: So why the hell are you wasting your time talking to me
Corevette: If it holds no importance to you why stay here
Elliot: Because it's hilarious
Elliot: Same with rpeh
Elliot: and his little bitching about Eshe dumping his ass
Elliot: Where he cried and got drunk that night
Elliot: that is HILARIOUS
Corevette: I see you have nothing better to do with your time then to trash someone you dont even know
Elliot: Oh, and your Corevette name
Corevette: IS SPELLED WRONG
Corevette: I KNOW
Elliot: I know rpeh better than most
Elliot: Better than you
Corevette: I know that
Elliot: Now go tell him I said this to get him to bitch and whine and moan about how I am a shitty "little man"
Elliot: And tell him I send his mother some love, the poor woman
Corevette: You're disgusting

EtOT has tried to fall back on this rule of "You can't post what I say because of the UESP IRC guidelines" but what he's obviously too stupid to realise is that those guidelines only apply to the main UESP channel - #uespwiki. If I want to send his drivel to the Guardian and ask them to print it in a special pull-out colour section, I can do so without violating a single policy.

It looks like EtOT is violating some kind of confidence with rpeh, too. And, of course, he makes the obligatory comment about someone's mother.

The Chatspike policies can be found here. One of them is "Don't be lame. This includes threatening or abusing people ... and other things too. These Activities Will get you banned from the network". Corevette should report EtOT and get him banned because let's face it - EtOT excels at lame.

Lastly, note that EtOT says that "Editing the wiki is a waste of time". It's time for a kindly admin to make sure he never has to waste his time in this way again.

Elliot the Bully

It seems that Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick is going after Rawtwat the Vicious's title now.

I've been sent a segment of an IM conversation between EtOT and Corevette789. Please note, it wasn't Corevette who sent it to me. It seems he sent it to someone else to ask for advice about the threats, and that person forwarded it to me.

(There was some conversation before this, but he ran in circles trying to convince me to RM the warning)
Corevette789: To me, it sounds like MDS was the IP
Elliot: Regardless
Corevette789: We just have no way of knowing
Elliot: The warning should be removed
Elliot: or one given to rpeh
Elliot: Until then, I will follow you
Elliot: Not like a cat following you
Elliot: like a wasp
Corevette789: ...
Corevette789: What
Elliot: Ever had a wasp follow you
Elliot: Anywho.. remove it
Elliot: Okay, if you won't give him one
Elliot: I will
Corevette789: SPADE
Corevette789: You can, actually
Corevette789: He cant RM it either
Corevette789: He is affected
Elliot: I cant add it because it was he attacked me
Elliot: YOU can
Corevette789: No you add it, I dont RM it
Corevette789: He cant RM it
Corevette789: Then we do have to wait for an admin (Note:This was a very of stupid Idea but this had been going on for far to long)
Elliot: But I can't add it...
Elliot: If you called me a fucking idiot, I can't warn you
(Right here I just stopped responding. I got sick and tired of him trying to bully me into RMming the warning.)
Elliot: Are you thinking
Elliot: Last chance, remove the warning.
Elliot: You have 24 hours.

Well, the 24 hours are nearly up. What will Elliot the Vicious and Obnoxiously Thick do next?

Bloody hell, he's at it AGAIN!

So Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick's latest retirement is over and he is back at UESP being as obnoxious and thick as ever.

I'm afraid I cannot be bothered providing all the diff links this time. It's yet another argument between EtOT and TGD, in which neither was particularly helpful but EtOT (as ever) was worse. Eventually, Corevette789 gave him a waring and EtOT went to whine about it on the admin noticeboard.

For everybody's sake, can someone please block EtOT for good? He has proven both on UESP and Wikipedia that he is divisive and useless. It also seems he has managed to drive rpeh away from the site. Judging from the tiny number of entries in the patrol log, that means the huge backlog of unpatrolled crap that rpeh cleared up is beginning again.

Somebody block that waste of space before it's too late.

UPDATE: Looks like the Masked Template Guru has taken care of most of the patrolling, but how long will that last?

One Last Piece of Idiocy?

I'm away for a few weeks and there's a piece of stupidity from Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick! Who could possibly have predicted such a thing?

The trigger seems to have been some incident in IRC between EtOT and rpeh. At first, EtOT reports it as an "Abuse of power", but after a couple of replies from The Great Deceiver, he decides it was worth an indefinite block.

Now normally, I'd say that TGD's reply is unhelpful, but since it's EtOT we're talking about here, there isn't really any better response. EtOT could just as easily stand for Elliot the Obnoxious Troll, but I would rather emphasise his stupidity.

Unfortunately, TGD didn't follow his own advice. After EtOT changes the title, TGD "reverts trolling", which EtOT undoes while accusing TGD of almost violating 3RR (the Wikipedia rule that says you can't make more than 3 reverts to a page within 24 hours). TGD points out that EtOT is talking out of his arse and EtOT admits the mistake, but doesn't apologise of course.

At this point, Southern Belle steps in. She politely tells EtOT to stop being a trolling bastard and wags a finger at TGD, presumably because she had to find some way of balancing her reply. More whining ensues from EtOT before SB tells him straight: he was trolling in IRC. EtOT then reminds us all why he gets the "Obnoxious" part of his name.

We then get Herschel's first major contribution as an admin. He agrees with SB and also tells EtOT that he's a troll. EtOT bids the site goodbye again before Lucius Tarquinius Superbus adds a typically magnificent reply. NOTE: current number of edits made by EtOT after leaving: 7.

Timenn (and I need a new name - he has not been around enough lately to justify the LGA tag) wraps the discussion up by giving EtOT what must surely be his last unofficial warning.

Hopefully this goodbye will be more permanent than his previous dozen or so. It is now clear that everyone is sick and tired of Elliot. The scariest thing about him is that he shows exactly the same behaviour on UESP and WP and still doesn't understand it when people tell him off. You have to wonder if he is like this in Real Life.

Various Updates

First, yes I know my nickname for Krusty is krap. But the guy's from Denmark! What else can I do? Call him Hamlet? There's not much to work with here! And Eliza Dushku shouldn't be on that list anyway. On that list, apart from Eliza, I've heard of Viggo Mortensen (only 1/2 Danish), Brigitte Nielsen, Sandi Toksvig (who doesn't count because she sounds more English than I do these days), plus more than I care to admit from the "models" list. I'm stuck. Please send in alternative suggestions.

Second, yes I know Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick voted "neutral" rather than "Oppose" but I'm sure he will come around. The only reason he has been editing again at UESP is because he got blocked at Wikipedia (about time too). The "questions" he posed for Herschel were pretty transparent anyway and boiled down to EtOT asking "This is what I want to happen. You agree with me, don't you?"

Third, see previous point. I know he got blocked again and I know he responded in a typically childish way. Look people, head on over to WP and laugh at EtOT's contributions. I may highlight the funnier examples of EtOT being a moron but it's only more of what we have all come to know and love about the world's biggest idiot.

Fourth, I mean it - I won't be voting on the admin election. I don't post on UESP and I am not going to break that vow now somebody capable of doing the job has come up for election.

Not Interested

Okay people, note the title of the blog. UESP Watch. Despite my earlier comment I'm not renaming it to Elliot Watch so please stop sending me details about him getting blocked and spanked on Wikipedia.

Yes, it was very funny and yes he's exactly the same over there as he is at UESP and here but it's not relevant. I'm posting this once to make sure you know I won't be posting again.

For those of you interested, all I'm going to say is that I've told you his WP name once before so you can go and see for yourselves.

Can't he just go Away?

Given that Rawtwat the Vicious has buggered off, as have ^CEshe^V and Anarchasshole, and given that other users who used to feature in my posts have proved useful rather than irritating (where is The Great Deceiver at the moment though?), I may as well rename this blog "Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick Watch" and have done with it.

Do you remember this thread about a possible change to the Journal Entries template? No? Well the basic idea is to have one table for quests with multiple sections. The Masked Template Guru made the original suggestion and TGD agreed only for EtOT to slip into Doctor No mode.

There the matter rested until MTG went ahead and made the change. Then the fun begins.

EtOT posts on MTG's talk page moaning about lack of consensus (the irony is almost flattening given that it comes from somebody who doesn't believe in consensus) and saying that he has half a mind. Oh, sorry - "I have half a mind to revert every single edit."

MTG disagrees and points out that "If you'd like to revert them all, that's your right, but I rather suspect it would be seen as malicious and earn you disciplinary action. That's not up to me, though."

EtOT's next post is a mass of crap even by his standards:

"2-1 is not consensus, especially when the main opposition is by the person who structured and implemented it. I find this extremely disrespectful and insulting. Perhaps you should get 'disciplinary action"

First, it was rpeh who wrote the template and the whole thing was his idea. Second, it's neither disrespectful nor insulting. Third, there's no reason for MTG to be disciplined.

Elliot should know about WP:POINT though, which would apply to his own suggestion.

Elliot - and I know you still read this - fuck off. You're not helping anything and you're doing nothing to stop people from regarding you as a moron.

Elliot Wants a New Name

I think he wants us to call him "Dr No".

Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick's latest few edit summaries are illustrative of his style these days - disagree with everything.

From 15 May March onwards, we have: "absolutely not", "still no", "do not try to 'censor' me", "don't censor me", "Stop", "Still no", "What a joke", "Still no", " unnecessary", and "no". Now I've skipped a few, but not very many. His latest comment has a summary of "my thoughts" but it consists only of him saying "No" to the Masked Template Guru's latest suggestion.

It seems EtOT isn't content with not improving the wiki himself - he wants to stop everybody else doing it too.

Rawtwat - Still Vicious

After the surprise of rpeh's patrollership nomination, we have the staggeringly-unsurprising news that Rawtwat the Vicious doesn't like the idea.

It's a typically nasty and vicious post from Rawtwat and although TGD tells him not to make personal attacks in a reply, somebody should really give Ratwar an official warning.

It's not going to matter, of course. The current vote is 5-2 and I can see at least two other votes going rpeh's way before it closes. What's fascinating is that, again, RtV and Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick are on the same side. Rawtwat should take some time to think about that.

Other people should take some time to consider how much longer Rawtwat can be allowed to violate policy before he brings the position of Admin into disrepute.

Wow. Who Saw THAT Coming?

The Great Deceiver nominated himself for patroller again last night, which I don't think anybody was expecting. Predictably, Elliot the Obnoxiously Vicious had to vote no, hilariously claiming that patrollership is his gift to offer.

So far, yes votes from Corevette789, Atreus, and the Masked Template Guru.

Is this the first step in a return to sysop status for TGD?