What's so Difficult About Images?

For something so unimportant, the images on UESP cause one hell of a lot of controversy. The latest revolves around this image that Timenn uploaded back in 2007.

As part of the current drive to get square images on all NPC pages, Gemellus' page had a tag that said "This article could benefit from an image that is square, showing more of the NPC". New user Walbert decided to help by uploading the tall image shown here and changing the page to use the new image. Unsurprisingly, Southern Belle reverts it with the reason "not square". Not discouraged, Walbert tries again and uploads the tiny square image and changes the page again. SB still doesn't like it as it "shows less of NPC, not more". You can't really fault her logic here.

Unfortunately, Walbert isn't happy and takes it to her talk page. SB replies politely, Walbert replies again, totally missing the point, then Herschel and Lucius pop in with fairly helpful comments too. Walbert finally gets it and uploads a reasonable version before making one last whine: "I'm honestly left wondering how a generally helpful resource like UESP can be so unhelpful to those who wish to contribute".

Now I love to criticise UESP when I can, but in this case I can't. The tag was perfectly clear about what was wanted and three people made helpful comments to expand. If you're not bright enough to read then don't take it out on other people.

Can't he just go Away?

Given that Rawtwat the Vicious has buggered off, as have ^CEshe^V and Anarchasshole, and given that other users who used to feature in my posts have proved useful rather than irritating (where is The Great Deceiver at the moment though?), I may as well rename this blog "Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick Watch" and have done with it.

Do you remember this thread about a possible change to the Journal Entries template? No? Well the basic idea is to have one table for quests with multiple sections. The Masked Template Guru made the original suggestion and TGD agreed only for EtOT to slip into Doctor No mode.

There the matter rested until MTG went ahead and made the change. Then the fun begins.

EtOT posts on MTG's talk page moaning about lack of consensus (the irony is almost flattening given that it comes from somebody who doesn't believe in consensus) and saying that he has half a mind. Oh, sorry - "I have half a mind to revert every single edit."

MTG disagrees and points out that "If you'd like to revert them all, that's your right, but I rather suspect it would be seen as malicious and earn you disciplinary action. That's not up to me, though."

EtOT's next post is a mass of crap even by his standards:

"2-1 is not consensus, especially when the main opposition is by the person who structured and implemented it. I find this extremely disrespectful and insulting. Perhaps you should get 'disciplinary action"

First, it was rpeh who wrote the template and the whole thing was his idea. Second, it's neither disrespectful nor insulting. Third, there's no reason for MTG to be disciplined.

Elliot should know about WP:POINT though, which would apply to his own suggestion.

Elliot - and I know you still read this - fuck off. You're not helping anything and you're doing nothing to stop people from regarding you as a moron.

Elliot Wants a New Name

I think he wants us to call him "Dr No".

Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick's latest few edit summaries are illustrative of his style these days - disagree with everything.

From 15 May March onwards, we have: "absolutely not", "still no", "do not try to 'censor' me", "don't censor me", "Stop", "Still no", "What a joke", "Still no", " unnecessary", and "no". Now I've skipped a few, but not very many. His latest comment has a summary of "my thoughts" but it consists only of him saying "No" to the Masked Template Guru's latest suggestion.

It seems EtOT isn't content with not improving the wiki himself - he wants to stop everybody else doing it too.

Rawtwat - Still Vicious

After the surprise of rpeh's patrollership nomination, we have the staggeringly-unsurprising news that Rawtwat the Vicious doesn't like the idea.

It's a typically nasty and vicious post from Rawtwat and although TGD tells him not to make personal attacks in a reply, somebody should really give Ratwar an official warning.

It's not going to matter, of course. The current vote is 5-2 and I can see at least two other votes going rpeh's way before it closes. What's fascinating is that, again, RtV and Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick are on the same side. Rawtwat should take some time to think about that.

Other people should take some time to consider how much longer Rawtwat can be allowed to violate policy before he brings the position of Admin into disrepute.

Wow. Who Saw THAT Coming?

The Great Deceiver nominated himself for patroller again last night, which I don't think anybody was expecting. Predictably, Elliot the Obnoxiously Vicious had to vote no, hilariously claiming that patrollership is his gift to offer.

So far, yes votes from Corevette789, Atreus, and the Masked Template Guru.

Is this the first step in a return to sysop status for TGD?

To Post, or Not to Post?

I've been sent the transcript of Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick's two most recent appearances on IRC by two separate people. Thank you to both people. The first must go down as one of the funniest things ever recorded on the internet. I'm not going to publish, though, until I get a third sender.

Why? Because I want to make sure enough people feel the same way about EtOT's contributions. Don't worry - your names are safe with me. For instance, the one contributor who doesn't understand about mail headers isn't going to be outed. If I reveal my sources I am going to lose my sources pretty quickly after all.

All responses to uespwatch@googlemail.com as usual!

It's Finally Happened!

It's a great day as Southern Belle finally removes Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick's patroller rights then announces it to the world and to EtOT himself.

I'm sure several people have been celebrating for some time but let me raise a glass in recognition of the fact that this most idiotic and pointless of editors has had his comeuppance at long last.

Reasons to be Cheerful

In all the excitement about Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick finally disappearing, I almost missed this edit from the Masked Template Guru (new name for RobinHood70).

His edit summary was "Just spoke with both, neither are planning to return", and the "both" to whom he refers are Rawtwat the Vicious and ^CEshe^V. It looks like March 2010 is going to be a good month for getting rid of the chaff from UESP.

It's About Time

Finally, the patience of other users has been exhausted by Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick's behaviour.

It began with Lucius Tarquinius Superbus who in a brief (sarcasm) post outlined most of the case against him. Southern Belle follows up and suggests allowing EtOT to resign first (what's the point? Resign or be demoted anyway isn't much of a choice). Serial annoyance MEG pops up again with a confused series of posts and agrees, then Elliot's Bitch The Editor With an Out of Date Name demonstrates that he needs a new nickname.

So far, EtOT is only facing calls for his patroller rights to be stripped. Nobody has yet responded to Timenn's call for comments on the mutual block-fest from Saturday. Nothing yet from The Great Deceiver either. Presumably his response is going to be several megabytes long and will crash the server when he posts it. I can't believe he's going to remain silent on this one.

Elliot and Drama. Is Anybody Shocked?

Well my request for excitement on UESP has been answered. Once again it all gets fun because Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick is back on the site.

It started with a suggestion from The Great Deceiver that the gold and mercantile be removed from the place summary. That makes sense, I suppose. It's not the building that sells you your potions, after all. Joram RobinHood70 agrees, so all looks good. The Great Deceiver adds a little more information to "reinforce" his opinion... but also adds a little comment as an HTML comment that doesn't show up: "given that I've now discovered who added it in the first place...". Since it turns out that the person who originally added the parameters was Elliot the Thick... it's not too long before Elliot the Obnoxiously Thick is involved.

EtOT ignores most of TGD's comment so TGD tells him so.... and then we're off to the races!

EtOT posts an insulting comment in reply and then an anon reverts it, calling Elliot a Troll in the process. Corvette789 gets involved and reinstates it; revert by anon; revert by Corvette789; revert by anon; revert by EtOT; revert by Timenn; then EtOT removes TGD's comment into the bargain.

Meanwhile, the anon warns EtOT for his personal attack, which gets reverted, reverted, reverted etc (can't be bothered with links).

Also meanwhile, EtOT warns the anon, followed by revert, revert etc, and eventually EtOT uses section protection to make the warning permanent. He obviously doesn't know that you're not supposed to use protection to further your own arguments.

Timenn has tried to clear things up, but as it stands, EtOT is doing what he always does: being a total fucking asshole.

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again: Elliot should never have become a patroller. He is an obnoxious troll and never does anything useful. Block him now.

SerCenKing's Images - The Return!

Back in November I commented that SerCenKing's images were not up to scratch, in a post that seems to have been largely responsible for getting rpeh back on the site. SerCenKing had uploaded images like this, this, this, this and this (look down at the bottom of each page to see his version then compare it to the previous one). The Great Deceiver took exception to his images (and they mostly were his images) being overwritten and reverted many - though not all - of the changes. That was his first edit in two months (under his own name at any rate).

Today, somebody called Saya created a brand new account purely to attack more of SerCenKing's images. This time, the difference is that several people (including The Great Deceiver) defended the images, and Lucius Tarquinius Superbus responded to the initial insult in typically regal style.

I'm sure somebody will accuse me of being the one who made all the reverts: it wasn't. For the record, I think LTS's image have improved out of all recognition (although he still uploads the occasional real piece of shit). Certainly, I think the batch that were reverted were all good. Some were better than others, but all were better than what went before.

The Unmasked Man

So it turns out that Joram was RobinHood70 all along. He "retired" back in mid December citing "recent events" and is now talking about "drama" being responsible.

At the time, RobinHood was working on his project to kill the Lore Dictionary articles, which he did, but what other drama was there? The big debate over Elliot the Thick's Editor Id template was going on (and somebody should really delete Template talk:NPC Editor ID - it's still there long after the template was deleted), but it looks to me like this discussion on the Admin Noticeboard was a bigger factor. Basically, EtT and RH seem to have had a falling out over the job queue. Both those discussions involved EtT, so is his continuing absence the reason for RH's return?

Is there more than that? Let me know, people.